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What Now · Nov 14, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

I found the books a nice addition but I can't seem to buy the pages. Is this intentional or yet to be added at this time? I hope it's not permanent.

Personally do not mind redoing normal mode but being a primary PvPer who has been out of PvE for months now the hard mode bit seems a bit tedious. Having to redo every mission, put the time effort builds and teams together again. I understand if you want to make people play things through again but hard mode is another story. Can't you make some kind of exception or something, seems mildly retarded that your solution to grinding is increasing the mass of the grind. Why only grind that one area for points...when we can make them beat the game a million times

Seriously why even bother making the title prior to this.

Not going to bother with it just wonder. Is this to stay? Was hoping to buff up a title or two with previously beaten missions for some HoM PvE credit because I'm surely not going to grind or do anything out of my way for them.

HawkofStorms · Nov 14, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

As for your other question, titles were released with the release of Factions, LONG before they even thought of the book idea... so... no such thing as a crystal ball.

What Now · Nov 14, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Why not just give credit to those who have the titles, easy enough to keep track of.

Another thing is yea it was interesting and worth the effort...the first time.

But who wants to redo HM just to grind it just for another book just for a title.

To fix the grind introduced by GW:EN we make all games like GW:EN..it's too genius.

Simply don't wish to redo HM, asking if this is permanent or will it/can it be changed? Seems a bit petty on Anets part going, we didn't come up with anything new the last few months, so redo the old stuff.

Kha · Nov 14, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

Oh, I completely forgot. It's not fun now - that's why they have the books. I mean, if it was fun AND we were getting stuff for doing it... wow, that would just be stupid. I forgot that because people enjoyed something, they're not allowed to get the same rewards as people now. Thanks for reminding me!

Tarzan Yamada · Nov 14, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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If you forget to bring a book with you on a mission, the corresponding NPC can fill in the missed page for you for a small fee. Missions don't have to be done in chronological order for you to get credit.

Seems like this should be retroactive, especially those with the titles. They made other faction retroactive if you completed Elite areas after HoM update, so this seems like an easy thing to do. I was a bit dissapointed when they wouldn't fill in my missing pages and I have Legendary Guardian.

Crom The Pale · Nov 14, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Why am I not surprised.....

Me and a couple of guildies battled and grinded our way to Protector/Guardian on 3 chapters, now those guildies are gone and no longer play.

So I have to redo everything I have already done to get a reward that might not be of any use to me...what is the reward?

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

Mourne · Nov 14, 2008, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

Unless someone has gone through and done all of the book since the update...no there is no way to tell yet.

HawkofStorms · Nov 14, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

No... since no one (I hope) has beaten an entire campaign in the 4 hours the update has been out.

Captain Bulldozer · Nov 14, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

I can personally attest that the books were not intended to be retroactive. I asked Linsey about this in game just to be sure it wasn't a bug. I do agree that its a little annoying... but seriously, there's no real need to fill out the books anyway. The Prophecies one just gives gold and XP, the others just give you more rep points for the various factions, and there are now plenty of other ways of doing that.

Personally, I think this update was great! Good job to the Devs who worked on this!

Captain Bulldozer · Nov 14, 2008, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

No... since no one (I hope) has beaten an entire campaign in the 4 hours the update has been out.

Just a note... none of the campaigns have to be fully beaten to fill out the book... the first few missions of each are skipped. The factions campaign is by far the easiest to complete so we should start seeing rewards info in the next day or two.

blackknight1337 · Nov 14, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

I don't give a crap really about the normal mode stuff, though it is somewhat irritating when I've already done that with most of my chars. The only reason I do it anymore is when I'm leveling chars. Its boring, its rewardless, and its generally a pain in the ass.

I'm pissed to hell about the hard mode bull. It wasn't done cause it was enjoyable, when you seen a handful of HM stuff, you've seen it all. It was long, tedious, and only got done cause I needed the title on the monk.

Now, the next thing someone is gonna post is why do I need the money anyway, since I've already done it. The answer is very simple, just because I've already done it means squat. If you offer rewards to someone for doing x campaign in HM, you offer it to everyone, including the others who have done it already. Anything less is an insult to those who have spent their time and effort on your product. "Unbalancing the economy" be damned, what the hell do you think giving everyone who does it now a bunch of money is going to do, if anything?

To summarize, Anet had better make this stuff retroactive. Anything less is a "kick in the balls" to us who have done it already, as someone put so eloquently in the other thread.

fenix · Nov 14, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Would be nice for it to be retroactive, because there's no way I'm ever doing a book since I've already done Legendary Guardian....

kazjun · Nov 14, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Would be nice if it was retroactive, even just the one book per account. But I can't seem to bring myself to really care about this update.

Prophs book: probably just money and xp. Don't really care about either and I've already got my titles for doing it so don't really see myself going through it again. By the way, since they track what we've done for missions via the map and the guardian and protectors titles, it's not like they can say they don't know what we've completed.

Nightfall book: probably money, xp and SS and LB points. Don't care about the money or xp, and my main already maxed SS/LB so not really caring. Since I don't even bother with the titles on my non mains anymore, it's worthless. About the only use they'd be is if you can use them to get the SS rank 7 you need to get the venta cemetary mission for elonians. Which I doubt, since you'd have only done about 4 or five missions up till there.

Factions book: maybe useful, cause you get kurz and lux faction. But they don't seem to have changed the numbers for what you need for the title tracks, so unless the books give you like 100k faction or something, you'd proably still need to get like a million books or something. So not something I'm gonna work for.

New books, useless to me, but good for new players. Though they should get the books right at the beginning, unless filling in the pages is free. Cause you get the faction and nightfall books fairly early, but you'd have done quite a few missions before LA (unless you get run).

Edit: cut out some stuff that was more about the update in general (and stuck it in the updates thread) and left the book stuff.

Oink The Pig · Nov 14, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

To summarize, Anet had better make this stuff retroactive. Anything less is a "kick in the balls" to us who have done it already, as someone put so eloquently in the other thread.

/agree

I ended up catching up on some PvE the last couple nights and did about 5 missions in HM. I knew I should've been playing GHWT instead. :/

And if you'll all recall, the GW:EN books were retroactive when they were introduced. You could buy the pages that you had already done and turn it in right away for the reward. The precedent was already set.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Nov 14, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

We dont need the gold for the books so let us pay for pages accordingly.
We need the rep points / faction rewards.

So ANet, make some calculations and add in the next update pls.

Amy Awien · Nov 14, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Notes say you can add a page if you forgot the book, for a small fee. I'd suggest trying this if you really need to fill the book retroactively.

Otherwise, the books add something, they don't take any of your accomplishments away. If you don't like them, pretend they don't exist and the game will be the same it was before their introduction.

xshadowwolfx · Nov 14, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

At above yes that's the point but you can't it only counts missions completed starting from the update hence why it is NOT retroactive.

/signed for retroactive. I want money I want faction.

Wrath of m0o · Nov 14, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Well if the books are not Retroactive, i suggest you Remove the Retroactive books from GWEN, that we are all used to..so we dont have anything to complain about.

/signed for retroactive books

garethporlest18 · Nov 14, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Like I said in the other thread, the one and only reward you got for completing Protector/Guardian was the title itself and whatever money and exp you got at that time, that's all you get sorry.

For today though, you can do it all over again and get something you don't really need because all these books do is add to something you already have, or give you something you don't really need. If you need the gold there are more profitable ways of getting it, if you don't want to do those ways, then you have to go through all the missions again, that's the way the ball rolls.

It's not a pain to re-do these missions in Normal Mode. You don't have to re-do any quests, you just bounce from mission to mission. I cleared out about 10 pages in the Prophecies book in about 4 hours. I was using H/H too so if you guys have friends it'll go even faster. Hell you can run some of those missions. Same with the other campaigns. Hard Mode will give you more stuff sure, but if you don't feel like doing it all over again, you don't have to. Simple as that.

It's going to be even easier to do the missions in Hard Mode anyways because you don't need to do the bonuses to get the book entry. I would agree with you guys most likely if you had to actually get Protector/Guardian to complete the books, but you don't and therefore it makes it a bit easier. Plus like I said, the rewards aren't that big that you HAVE to do them, there are better ways to make faction, money and exp.

Plus I think Anet was trying to bring some playability back to their game, it works for some folks, doesn't work for others. I suppose you guys should have been sitting around doing nothing like me for the last 8 months if you wanted to not be bored with the game.

Personally I hope Anet doesn't add a way but I'm sure they'll give in.

cataphract · Nov 14, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Personally I hope Anet doesn't add a way but I'm sure they'll give in.

I hope they don't. Decision they made was good and caving in to whiners would not be a good idea.